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« on: May 16, 2010, 12:11:51 PM »

think you have the best zombie weapon? Think again!!!
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« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2010, 12:16:35 PM »

The best gun has to be the avenger mini-gun. it has HUGE clips, it's fully automatic, what more could you ask for?
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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2010, 12:10:31 AM »

 How large and heavy is it though?
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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2010, 08:51:29 PM »

I believe the answer is too heavy. If you can't run full tilt for ten minutes with it, it's too heavy.
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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2010, 08:08:42 AM »

The best gun has to be the avenger mini-gun. it has HUGE clips, it's fully automatic, what more could you ask for?

What more could I ask for? How about a vehicle to carry the monster on, a power supply to run it, and a trailer to carry the extra ammo (btw it doesn't use "clips"). I know, it's a Fallout gun so it must be cool. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2010, 03:41:55 AM »

Y'know what I'd love? A pistol chambered for shotgun rounds.
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2010, 05:13:33 PM »

Personally, my preferred primary weapon of choice if in a group is the 22. LR. Sure, the nimble round of this firearm may seem toylike compared to other rounds, but in this scenario, we are not looking for firepower. But accuracy, availability, reliability, etc. In the case of a disaster of this class, the 22. emerges standing side by side with its larger siblings.
First of all, you are looking for head shots only. What I love about a 22. is, that when when aiming at the head, can easily do just as much damage as any 45. The reason behind this is in the fact that the round lacks the power to punch out of the back of the skull, the result is the bullet actually ricocheting inside of the brain case. The 22. is also one of the most accurate rifles made, given the operator has his sights zeroed in properly and has a steady hand. Availability is a given, as no gunstore will fail to have this weapon stocked. The small rounds allow you carry a plethora of ammunition without being weighed down or taking up to much space for other, more important equipment. And as written above, no gunstore will fail to have this ammunition stocked.
And being a bolt-action, the easiest weapon to clean, reliability is also a given. All it takes is sliding out the bolt and running a cloth through the barrel and then wiping down the bolt.
This weapon does have a con however, and that's stopping power. This weapon has zero, and a round to the chest won't even cause a zombie to stumble. But if in a group and a little distance between you and Zach(about 5 meters or more...) this weapon is one of the best you can obtain.
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2010, 03:28:31 AM »

Personally, my preferred primary weapon of choice if in a group is the 22. LR. Sure, the nimble round of this firearm may seem toylike compared to other rounds, but in this scenario, we are not looking for firepower. But accuracy, availability, reliability, etc. In the case of a disaster of this class, the 22. emerges standing side by side with its larger siblings.
First of all, you are looking for head shots only. What I love about a 22. is, that when when aiming at the head, can easily do just as much damage as any 45. The reason behind this is in the fact that the round lacks the power to punch out of the back of the skull, the result is the bullet actually ricocheting inside of the brain case. The 22. is also one of the most accurate rifles made, given the operator has his sights zeroed in properly and has a steady hand. Availability is a given, as no gunstore will fail to have this weapon stocked. The small rounds allow you carry a plethora of ammunition without being weighed down or taking up to much space for other, more important equipment. And as written above, no gunstore will fail to have this ammunition stocked.
And being a bolt-action, the easiest weapon to clean, reliability is also a given. All it takes is sliding out the bolt and running a cloth through the barrel and then wiping down the bolt.
This weapon does have a con however, and that's stopping power. This weapon has zero, and a round to the chest won't even cause a zombie to stumble. But if in a group and a little distance between you and Zach(about 5 meters or more...) this weapon is one of the best you can obtain.
Is there anywhere that evidence of this exists?
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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2010, 10:52:06 PM »

Is there anywhere that evidence of this exists?
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Yes, actually. And it can be looked up in several texts. It can even ricochet from water if the water is struck at a shallow angle. Actually, the .22 rimfire bullet is known for its ability to ricochet. But to be honest, any bullet can ricochet, with the exception of frangible bullets made for varmint hunting. Just that the 22. is the most widely known for it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricochet
Read up.

http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081114030311AAOKnTT
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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2010, 08:54:55 PM »

What I love about a 22. is, that when when aiming at the head, can easily do just as much damage as any 45. The reason behind this is in the fact that the round lacks the power to punch out of the back of the skull, the result is the bullet actually ricocheting inside of the brain case. The 22. is also one of the most accurate rifles made, given the operator has his sights zeroed in properly and has a steady hand.

Suffice to say this is just plain silliness. To place the little .22lr on the same level as the .45acp is the equivalent of comparing a Ford Fiesta to a Ferrari 458 Italia.
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« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2010, 10:23:36 PM »

What I love about a 22. is, that when when aiming at the head, can easily do just as much damage as any 45. The reason behind this is in the fact that the round lacks the power to punch out of the back of the skull, the result is the bullet actually ricocheting inside of the brain case. The 22. is also one of the most accurate rifles made, given the operator has his sights zeroed in properly and has a steady hand.

Suffice to say this is just plain silliness. To place the little .22lr on the same level as the .45acp is the equivalent of comparing a Ford Fiesta to a Ferrari 458 Italia.
I must point point out your flaw. You obviously failed to read my post thoroughly enough to see that I drew attention to the fact that a 22. round will RICOCHET in the brain case, going as far as providing you proof of such events happening. Now, assuming that you know what the word ricochet means, I shouldn't have to bring light to what would happen if you were to be shot in the skull with a 22. LR at a shallow angle. But just in case, imagine taking a metal ball bearing and firing it into a small, steel circular enclosure with a fruit inside. More simply, think of a blender.
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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2010, 10:38:46 AM »

What I love about a 22. is, that when when aiming at the head, can easily do just as much damage as any 45. The reason behind this is in the fact that the round lacks the power to punch out of the back of the skull, the result is the bullet actually ricocheting inside of the brain case. The 22. is also one of the most accurate rifles made, given the operator has his sights zeroed in properly and has a steady hand.

Suffice to say this is just plain silliness. To place the little .22lr on the same level as the .45acp is the equivalent of comparing a Ford Fiesta to a Ferrari 458 Italia.
I must point point out your flaw. You obviously failed to read my post thoroughly enough to see that I drew attention to the fact that a 22. round will RICOCHET in the brain case, going as far as providing you proof of such events happening. Now, assuming that you know what the word ricochet means, I shouldn't have to bring light to what would happen if you were to be shot in the skull with a 22. LR at a shallow angle. But just in case, imagine taking a metal ball bearing and firing it into a small, steel circular enclosure with a fruit inside. More simply, think of a blender.

That dog don’t hunt. You’ve provided evidence that bullets will ricochet. Any bullet can and will ricochet. No one disputes that. But I have yet to see any evidence that a .22lr bullet will react as you say nor do the references you provided back your claim. I challenge you to find one recognized expert in the firearms field that will back what you say.
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« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2010, 03:45:58 PM »


That dog don’t hunt. You’ve provided evidence that bullets will ricochet. Any bullet can and will ricochet. No one disputes that. But I have yet to see any evidence that a .22lr bullet will react as you say nor do the references you provided back your claim. I challenge you to find one recognized expert in the firearms field that will back what you say.


What are you talking about? Do you not realize that 22. bullets are the most notorious for it. You can go virtually anywhere and find proof.
But I will give you this proof. Look up the book "Gunshot Wounds" by Dr. Vincent J.M. DiMaio. Dr. DiMaio, who is a veteran of the Army Medical Corps, is board certified in Forensic, Clinical, and Anatomical Pathology. He is currently Chief Medical Examiner of Bexar County (San Antonio) Texas as well as a Professor of the Department of Pathology at the University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio.
This guy is better than a gun expert. In Di Maio's book, Chapter 9 deals with 'Bloody Bodies and Bloody Scenes.'
Di Maio noted that of 185 cases of suicide by .22, only 20% of those bullets exited. Of 60 cases of homicide by .22 only 6.6% exited. These figures are from gunshot heads only. He further adds: "...of the bullets that do not exit the head, the vast majority are retained in the cranial cavity. Thus, internal ricochet is fairly common, occurring in anywhere from 10 to 15% of the cases..." (See page 264 and 265)"
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« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2010, 08:18:15 PM »

The Israeli Mussad almost exclusively uses 22 caliber pistols for assasinations and hits. 

In the 20's-30's the Mobsters would frequently use 22 calibers pistols for executions. 

The .22 fired into the head just behind the ear leaves a very small hole.  The bullet will rattle around in the skull shredding everything on the inside.  It would leave only a slight hole without much blood.  Less messy than a .45.

NOT to discount the .45 flying ashtrays.  I love the things!  For self defense I would rather have no other.

But, if I was trying to be stealthy.  It's easier to carry, and makes less noise.  If you silence both weapons the .22 still makes less noise.  All you hear is the clap of the slid.

Anyway just my 2 cents.
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« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2010, 08:20:09 PM »


That dog don’t hunt. You’ve provided evidence that bullets will ricochet. Any bullet can and will ricochet. No one disputes that. But I have yet to see any evidence that a .22lr bullet will react as you say nor do the references you provided back your claim. I challenge you to find one recognized expert in the firearms field that will back what you say.


What are you talking about? Do you not realize that 22. bullets are the most notorious for it. You can go virtually anywhere and find proof.
But I will give you this proof. Look up the book "Gunshot Wounds" by Dr. Vincent J.M. DiMaio. Dr. DiMaio, who is a veteran of the Army Medical Corps, is board certified in Forensic, Clinical, and Anatomical Pathology. He is currently Chief Medical Examiner of Bexar County (San Antonio) Texas as well as a Professor of the Department of Pathology at the University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio.
This guy is better than a gun expert. In Di Maio's book, Chapter 9 deals with 'Bloody Bodies and Bloody Scenes.'
Di Maio noted that of 185 cases of suicide by .22, only 20% of those bullets exited. Of 60 cases of homicide by .22 only 6.6% exited. These figures are from gunshot heads only. He further adds: "...of the bullets that do not exit the head, the vast majority are retained in the cranial cavity. Thus, internal ricochet is fairly common, occurring in anywhere from 10 to 15% of the cases..." (See page 264 and 265)"

Try reading the information in context. He wasn’t specifically speaking of the .22lr when he mentioned the percentage you cited. A bullet can be retained in the skull regardless of caliber depending on velocity, distance from subject….Nor does it always result in death. Nor will it ricochet all around inside the skull turning the brain to mush as far too many believe. For as the information states, “Less commonly, bullets ricochet back into the brain at an acute angle or along the original bullet track.” Most bullets strike the skull and wrap around the inside as can be seen in Figure 9.2. You mentioned suicides as part of your “proof” that the .22lr ricochets inside the skull. If you’d read Chapter 6 you’d find that in suicides using the .22lr (your caliber of choice) and magnum rounds, “The bullet often exits the skull, though it may be found underneath the scalp, adjacent to the exit in the bone.”







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