worthless now valuble later

[moneymike2009]

 here it is some one said that naliage is power but the naliage i have would land me in jail with out the right permits.
the production of liquor is one of these. bio-fuel is simple too! I'm the kind of guy you give some tape , a zippo, and can of spray paint. I'll give you back a flamthrower!

[Admin]

hey moneymike,

I think those are exactly the kinds of skills we're talking about...

The sharing of knowledge on the internet is legal within the US, and as such we feel that sharing knowledge is a valuable way to help one another pre-outbreak.

[Thumper]

well, as i think you will end up on an FBI red list somewhere if you start sharing that kind of knowledge you may want to be careful. Besides the flame thrower you mentioned above is more of a novelty I've tried it. it won't burn much. a flame thrower needs to trough enough fuel to substain the burn after it has made contact with the target.
     That said.... I will mention this, shot gun shells can be used for very effect booby traps. look online for details, as can brake fluid and chlorine tablets with some other house hold items for another trip device.

[moneymike2009]

red flagged or not hear it is 

I'm gowning to tell you how I'm building mine but it is easier than that to build.
basic mash shopping list:
1.water
2.sugar
3.corn meal/dried whole corn/dried cracked corn(like chicken feed)
4.distillers yeast(high Alchal yields)
(recipe to fallow)

moonshiners have been doing this in the hills for years so it don't take as much as I'm putting in mine.
warning to the wise using this for drinking don't use aluminum or any medal that can lech into the alchal

my still plans
2 stainless steel drums 1 55gallon  1 30 gallon
1 plastic 55 gallon drum with the top cut off
30 feet of copper tubing
10 feet of stainless steel pipe 3 inches in diameter
10feet of garden hose
water calculator
and fittings
2 electric drum heaters(150 to 450degree range)


the steel 55 is the cooker the heaters go on the bottom and the middle of the drum
the 30 gallon steel drum is your thump barell you connect the cooker to the thump barell with the steel pipe.this barell should be filled with water 1/3 of the way the first batch or so then replace with alchal. the thump is from dabre from the mash
the plastic 55 is your condenser the copper tubing coils inside this barell and runs to a spout that you in stall.
the copper tubing runs from the thump barell to the condenser(the pipe from the cooker to the thump barell should be lower than the tubing from the thump barell to the condenser)  the garden hose connects to the top and bottom of the condenser with the water circulater in the middle pulling the water from the bottom to the top. fill the condenser with ice water (moving water stays colder longer)

the trick to making 180 to 200 proof alchal is temprecher and mash ratio
alchal boils at 172 degrees Fahrenheit water at 220 Fahrenheit

recipe:
add 4-5gallon buckets of feed to the cooker with pipe off add water to the cooker 3/4 of the way full and heat to boil
add 25 pounds of sugar to the cooker mix till the sugar has dissolved let cool to recommended temp on yeast packet
1 packet for every 5 gallons its roughly 8 or 9 packet of yeast
let set for 5 to 10 days then run
 

[Tobias]

Great post moneymike! I've always wondered about that! 

[Admin]

Haha, Awesome post MoneyMike

When we have enough posts that we have an archive, that one's going in the archives forever! 

[OVERKILL]

 For anyone who wants to doubt the validity of distillery instructions, let me point out a few uses other than the obvious.
1 Alcohol has quite a few medicinal purposes. It will cleans open wounds and kill germs as good as store bought rubbing alcohol. Mixed with honey and horehound it makes an excellent cough syrup. Since it is not denatured it can safely be drank to kill germs in improperly cooked food that has been eaten (partially raw).
2 It makes an excellent cleaner/degreaser.
3 It is flamable, so it can be used as a fire starter in less than ideal circumstances, lamp fuel for certain types of lamps and Molotov cocktails.
4 Cars and virtually any combustion engine can be converted to run off alchohol. This is handy if gasoline is not available.
5 Arguably the most important factor is trade. If you have liquor, you've got friends. If you have a distiller that has enough talent, skill and experience to make a goo "sippin' whiskey", then you've got anything you want!

[bruce]

what's better than spray paint for the homemade flamethrower is "thrust" engine starting fluid, I believe it has ether in it and throws quite a flame!

[sventhewarrior]

A couple thoughts on some of these ideas.

First of all, I have some limited lockpicking ability, and I can tell you right out that it's almost worthless in a zombie situation. Why spend all that time trying to pick a lock when you can just break it? Someone in the group should carry a bolt cutter, which would make short work of a master lock or a chain.

Flamethrowers: DON'T! Any flamethrower you can make is going to either be worthless or dangerous. It's a lot easier than you'd think to set yourself on fire. And serious burns can very very easily get infected. You burn yourself in a zombie situation and you're going to need to find yourself some pretty heavy painkillers and some serious antibiotics. Good luck with that.

Next, Booze. Yes, it does have uses, however there are issues. First of all, you're going to carry around a still? It's worthless on the run. Also keep in mind that you don't want to drink anything you make yourself. During Prohibition hundreds of people died or went blind from drinking bad booze. Not worth the risk.

[bruce]

you would never want to use flame against a zombie anyway. If they are the shuffling moaning type that only die from a brain shot, the flame wont do anything but turn them into a walking torch.

[moneymike2009]

back in prohibtion the cause of death and blindness from alchal was the mobsters and speakeasy's owners were cutting the liquor for more profit they use thing like turpentine,paint thinner,imbalmingfluid, the other causes where directly from the stills construction.old car radiator,aluminum parts, letting animals and bugs fall in the mash this caused the bad name not the alchal

[sventhewarrior]

It also arose from problems in the distillation process. If you do something wrong, or you use bad ingredients you can mess yourself up really good.

Granted, a lot of the problems came from cutting corners, but I ask you, are you going to be able to set up a professional distillery on the run? I doubt it.

Now, there are forms of drinkable booze you can make on the run. Wine, for example, only requires some unpasteurized grape juice and some yeast. Beer is a bit more complicated, but very doable. And these would be much more practical in a zombie situation anyway. The only point of cheap, hard liquor is to get yourself drunk, which isn't recommended in any sort of crisis. You're already about to crack under all the pressure and the constant danger, inebriation would just make people get stupid and do something ill advised. Not something you want to happen.

You should treat alcohol as medicine, not as recreation. A little bit of alcohol can be very useful to calm the nerves and help people sleep under pressure, but the last thing you want is a bunch of stressed, overworked, underslept, and scared people, all of whom are probably armed, to get drunk and stupid.

[Sarah]

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[moneymike2009]

moonshiners have been making alcohal in the woods tn,and ky for year.history you owe your freedom to it in acense. back in the late 16&1700 peolpe started making alcohal on there own.king gorge tried to tax it so people started making it in the middle of the night under the light of the moon.on the run the still was put up in a diffrent place almost every night .theyed bottel and sale this from there boot. dering prohibtion this was the same case.and for the purpass of fuel you can fermint and distille you lawn clippings .

[phantasm74]

Mobsters did cut it with chemicals which made the 1920s stuff kill you, but people making liquor hundreds of years before them died from it for other reasons.

One of the big problems of distilling your own alcohol is temperature control.  If your still gets too hot, you burn off some harmful chemicals and they get into the liquor.  The steam is what you're drinking, and when your mash gets too hot then the steam has bad stuff mixed in.  That is why you can go blind or die from shine.  You have to put your still near a cold, running water source to cool the "snake" coil and take the alcohol out of steam and into liquid form so your still can not be moved and has to be abandoned at the first sign of trouble, making your hard work worthless to you.  If you have to run a carboy and large bucket for making beer would serve just as well for some things (mostly for trade) and alcoholic water is better than tainted water, that's why ancient civilizations brewed their own beer, to make sure it was safe to drink.

That's not to say there aren't good reasons to distill liquor during a zombie apocalypse, several have been mentioned already, but they don't always outweigh the bad and dangerous parts.  But, I say go for it if you've got yourself a defensible position that you don't have to abandon, just don't drink your own on the off chance that it is bad. 

See
http://recipes.howstuffworks.com/moonshine3.htm for more information on potential dangers.